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Has Ron Paul Lost Control Of His Followers?

Evan McMurry
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By now, the Ron Paul campaign's plan to storm the delegate selection process of smaller states is well-known. Paul's camp first took the majority of delegates in Minnesota, and has since pulled off similar feats in Nevada, Louisiana and Maine—despite the fact that Paul didn't win any of these caucuses*—with more states on the way. If Paul's people gather enough delegate positions, and Mitt Romney doesn't get the necessary number of delegates in the first round of voting at the Republican National Convention in August, these delegates could cause serious trouble for Romney.

Why? Doug Mataconis goes through all the various theories at Outside the Beltway—including getting Paul's name on the nomination ballot, swaying the running mate selection process, or securing his son TSA McGalt a speaking position or similar exposure at the convention—and concludes they all have the same endgame: chaos

This exposes a serious challenge for the Paul movement. The Ron Paul Revolution (ugh) has been remarkably successful at building its brand, though the vote tallies of the GOP primary suggest that it has hit its ceiling, hard, in terms of actual human support. Paul's ideas have been successful, though, at infiltrating the mainstream of the GOP, priming the party for future Paul-inspired candidates, including Paul's first born. But the power that Paul's followers have built by stacking the delegate selection process doesn't lead to any of this—it leads to an ugly floor fight that will embarrass the Republican Party, potentially cost them the election and ostracize future Paul-ites, just as the movement is gaining a modicum of mainstream respectability. 

Paul fans on reddit.com/r/ronpaul and comments sections worldwide delight in the idea of sticking it to a complacent and ossified Republican old guard, and there's something mildly exciting about the extent to which they really invest the "revolution" part of their movement with some of the mischief implied by the word.

But if Paul's movement wants to outlast its charismatic authority, who is retiring from Congress this year, it has to do more than just prank the establishment. Its best hope for doing that is Rand Paul, who has been better than his father at working with the GOP mainstream while staying true to his (wildly inconsistent) ideological views. If he has a future, it's within this negotiation between his lineal libertarianism and the Republican establishment, the exact pas de deux threatened by the more anarchic plans of Paul supporters. 

For his part, Paul has said he doesn't want a floor fight. For all that the eccentric Texas congressman has marched to the beat of his own tiny drummer, he understands politics at least so far as to know which battles to fight. The question now is whether his supporters are still listening to him. Paul supporters, as anybody who has ever spoken to them knows very well, aren't the listening type, and they may have taken this unrelenting commitment to their internally-regenerating reality so far that they're no longer listening to their leader. In which case, Ron Paul will have made a monster, a motley crew of followers who believe fervently in his ideas even as they become the biggest implement impediment to their promulgation.

* With the possible exception of Maine, which featured some shady vote counting. 

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Related: Ron Paul Campaign Plots To Steal Nevada Delegates Despite RNC Warning

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Comments (121)

Tom profile picture
Tom Alciere: Ron Paul does not have followers. Ron Paul supporters are LEADERS and we can think for ourselves.
May 18, 2012
Jackie profile picture
Jackie Martin: Ron Paul and his followers need to smile more :)
May 12, 2012
Michael Bruce profile picture
Michael Bruce : First you make it sound like we (the liberty-minded) will be lost without Paul. Then you go on to say that we've already gone rogue and that Paul has lost control of us. Lol. Which is it?
"...stacking the delegate selection process" Why is it that when Romney wins delegates he's the "presumptive nominee", but when Paul wins delegates it's painted as an insidious plan?
"Paul supporters. . .aren't the listening type" There's a difference between listening and agreeing. We listen to everything you say (this article was intended for our consumption and to alter our actions). We do not agree with everything that is said to us. I wear it as a badge of honor that I don't blindly follow someone without any understanding.
This entire article is a thinly veiled threat. "Go along with the neo-cons or you'll lose any influence you have." Nonsense. Compromising our principles is an immediate and total loss in and of itself. The failure of the political process so far is that everybody is scrambling to gain and retain power and no one wants to simply do right. As for me? I will do right, win or lose.
May 12, 2012
Rick Hampstead J profile picture
Rick Hampstead J : This article was a waste of the writers time to copy and paste nonsense and gibberish.
I have read better articles with more facts off high school kids blogs.
May 12, 2012
Matthew profile picture
Matthew Harding: I should write an article entitled, "Has Mitt Romney lost control of his followers??!!" Because many within the establishment have resorted to blatant cheating and voter fraud to get their way.

Oh, and news flash. All delegates are now unbound. Which means that we can vote for the best candidate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anWsU93fFsk&feature=plcp

Ironically, it was a Romney supporter from 2008 who has opened up the door to a Paul presidency!!! Now that's poetic justice!!!
May 12, 2012
Spencer profile picture
Spencer Young: and the propaganda started in the script under the photograph "why are they all guys" guess what. if you think the ron paul revolution is a bunch of guys, you are talking waayyyyy out of school. some of the most firey paulbots i've met have been girls. sorry author, but you have attempted and have been called out on a fox news style psy-op.
May 12, 2012
Jo profile picture
Jo Easom: Seeing as your journalism didn't halt to abuse and put others down I need to tell you that your opinion is slimey, contrived and nasty.. and I also think you are a giant idiot who actually doesn't know much about the state of your country. I'd have no trouble watching American's shit in their own nest if they didn't effect the rest of the world so much. As an Australian reading this I just cringe and shake my head and thank god that Paul supporters are getting the job done... to listen to this idiots opinon is to rewind my brain to a point in time where I didn't understand anything and just bagged off other people due to my personal opinions instead of actual knowledge. That is the state the author is at.
May 11, 2012
Douglas profile picture
Douglas Campbell: No ceiling. Paul is getting 300% more votes now than in 2008. The liberty movement will have 300% more in 2016.
May 11, 2012
Douglas profile picture
Douglas Campbell: No ceiling. Paul is getting 300% more votes now than in 2008. The liberty movement will have 300% more in 2016.
May 11, 2012
Randy profile picture
Randy Dennis: - @Chelsea I'm sorry but you cant have your cake and eat it too. If you want to be categorized as news you must live up to certain standards or face criticism. A news article is supposed to report researched, unbiased facts . It should also be well written and free from spelling and grammatical errors. A news article ceases to become news if it is based on the author's opinion. It is then an opinion piece. No where that I can see is there a notice that this is a personal blog or opinion piece. I stand by my statement. This article does not belong in the news section of Google.

By the way touche on the Fox News example. However, I think most people take what Fox New's says with a grain of salt.
May 11, 2012
Daniel profile picture
Daniel Tanure: So the solution is becoming a bunch of cynical realpolitiks hypocrites like the rest of the world? I don't see how that improves on the revolution.
May 11, 2012
Ernest profile picture
Ernest Ludwick: The difference between a democracy and a republic is that in the latter, the Republicans select a layer of decision makers between the masses and the leadership. They add their intellect and judgment to what would otherwise be a mob rule.

In this case, the representatives are our GOP delegates. It's frustrating to have representatives make choices you don't agree with but they are selected by us to do the right thing or be replaced. The GOP leadership has not been doing the right thing and now they are being replaced.

My urgency is piqued by developments in France. One of Hollande's main goals is to eliminate the US dollar as Europe's reserve currency. The USD has been so inflated and weakened by decades of war, spending, and printing that it is untrustworthy and unstable. China and Japan dropped the USD as their exchange currency last month. OPEC is meeting to stop denominating oil in dollars because our wild inflation batters oil pricing. When the $25 Trillion in foreign reerves get dumped on the market the dollar will crash and our economy will fail. (we have only $600 Billion in gold reserves to back up our paper) THAT calls for radical urgent change even if it hurts the GOP's feelings.

In brief; Romney and Obama both, according to neutral sources, will increase spending and inflation. Romney will add 1/2 Trillion to the debt and Obama closer to 4 Trillion. If either of their pro-war cadres add a conflict in Iran or elsewhere, this will increase the debt a further $4 Trillion (at the same cost per year as the Iraq war).

The thing is; we were already desperately broke at the old rate of spending. Either Romney or Obama will tip the balance and send us into a fiscal crisis from which there can be no bailout. The sequence will look like this:
(1) Climbing interest rates or increasing debt will make our debt service (already 42 cents of every dollar) unsustainable. We default.
(2) The US credit ratings from Moody's, S&P, etc, plunge.
(3) The US dollar drops on currency exchanges panicking central banks of other countries.
(4) Desperate to save the credibility of their own money, nations start a "run on the bank"; selling the dollars that make up 70% of the reserves in their central bank vaults in a flight to more stable currencies.
(5) The $25 Trillion we've printed and handed out in trade with these nations; which is now held as "reserves"; gets dumped into the money supply. The dollar plummets.
(6) OPEC and Asia are joined by Europe in shunning the dollar. We cannot buy or sell products priced in dollars anymore.
(7) With no foreign trade in oil or food, our 40-60% of our electrical generators and diesel trucks stop. Grocery shelves are soon empty. Water pumps sputter to a halt.
(8) The first 15% to die perish quickly in food riots and crime waves. The rest are not so lucky. They sit in the dark, starving, thirsty, and cold, hoping for salvation that is not coming.
(9) As other global currencies fail like dominos, the global Dark Age sets in. China must close its borders to refugees in order to feed their own.
(10) Before a new Yuan or gold based economy can evolve, the 60% of the world's population that depended on city supply chains will lose their lives in war, starvation, disease, and rioting. It will require most of a century for stability and growth to return.

This is not science fiction; it is inevitable and it is real. Immediately cutting $1 Trillion from the budget as Dr. Paul suggests MIGHT slow or prevent the collapse. Anything short of that will not.

So maybe our elected delegates are doing something wiser than trying to disenfranchise those with slightly differing views. Maybe the Republican system of representative leadership is working as intended to inject their group wisdom into the process. Lord help us. We could certainly use it.
May 11, 2012
Valerie profile picture
Valerie McCree: Boy I can smell your sorry desperation over the web.
I as a non American I have no vote or axe to grind.
Lets pick your B/S apart.
The MSM have done all in their declining power to ignore and marginalise RP.
As if the constitution was a nasty sexual disease inflicted on those of unsound mind .
For many years, alone voice in the wilderness , warning about a debt
based economy, pumped up with more money printing .
Not to mention the crack pot idea that 1000 overseas bases make
America the apple of the worlds eye.
Warmongers who earn a buck by deluding the American people
That their taxes and borrowed money will keep them safe, Ha.
Nice: You suggest if RP keeps in his box maybe just maybe he can leave
his son a legacy whose time is yet to come.
RP's tiny drum is clearly irritating your paid for ear.
As for not listening . May i suggest a mirror to the GPO who has lost its way
and a NWO controlled MSM.
Stalin eat your heart out, Corporate America is on the march paying for
the fig leaf of democracy between Obama and Romney.
Despite blatant voter fraud and a blank from the press.
RP is the last alternative standing. Supported by a rabid fringe of nutters.
Funny how Mr sane Romney can not get close to RP numbers at the hustings.
I very much doubt that a 2016 election is called.
The death of the dollar is going to bring civil war to America, and the full force of
dictatorship in America.
If RP is not nominated from the floor: America is truly lost.
And the world with it.
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Where were when the call came?


May 11, 2012
Valerie profile picture
Valerie McCree: Boy I can smell your sorry desperation over the web.
I as a non American I have no vote or axe to grind.
Lets pick your B/S apart.
The MSM have done all in their declining power to ignore and marginalise RP.
As if the constitution was a nasty sexual disease inflicted on those of unsound mind .
For many years, alone voice in the wilderness , warning about a debt
based economy, pumped up with more money printing .
Not to mention the crack pot idea that 1000 overseas bases make
America the apple of the worlds eye.
Warmongers who earn a buck by deluding the American people
That their taxes and borrowed money will keep them safe, Ha.
Nice: You suggest if RP keeps in his box maybe just maybe he can leave
his son a legacy whose time is yet to come.
RP's tiny drum is clearly irritating your paid for ear.
As for not listening . May i suggest a mirror to the GPO who has lost its way
and a NWO controlled MSM.
Stalin eat your heart out, Corporate America is on the march paying for
the fig leaf of democracy between Obama and Romney.
Despite blatant voter fraud and a blank from the press.
RP is the last alternative standing. Supported by a rabid fringe of nutters.
Funny how Mr sane Romney can not get close to RP numbers at the hustings.
I very much doubt that a 2016 election is called.
The death of the dollar is going to bring civil war to America, and the full force of
dictatorship in America.
If RP is not nominated from the floor: America is truly lost.
And the world with it.
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Where were when the call came?


May 11, 2012
Valerie profile picture
Valerie McCree: Boy I can smell your sorry desperation over the web.
I as a non American I have no vote or axe to grind.
Lets pick your B/S apart.
The MSM have done all in their declining power to ignore and marginalise RP.
As if the constitution was a nasty sexual disease inflicted on those of unsound mind .
For many years, alone voice in the wilderness , warning about a debt
based economy, pumped up with more money printing .
Not to mention the crack pot idea that 1000 overseas bases make
America the apple of the worlds eye.
Warmongers who earn a buck by deluding the American people
That their taxes and borrowed money will keep them safe, Ha.
Nice: You suggest if RP keeps in his box maybe just maybe he can leave
his son a legacy whose time is yet to come.
RP's tiny drum is clearly irritating your paid for ear.
As for not listening . May i suggest a mirror to the GPO who has lost its way
and a NWO controlled MSM.
Stalin eat your heart out, Corporate America is on the march paying for
the fig leaf of democracy between Obama and Romney.
Despite blatant voter fraud and a blank from the press.
RP is the last alternative standing. Supported by a rabid fringe of nutters.
Funny how Mr sane Romney can not get close to RP numbers at the hustings.
I very much doubt that a 2016 election is called.
The death of the dollar is going to bring civil war to America, and the full force of
dictatorship in America.
If RP is not nominated from the floor: America is truly lost.
And the world with it.
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. Where were when the call came?


May 11, 2012
Terry profile picture
Terry Grant: Its kind of like journalism ..but not.
May 11, 2012
Russell profile picture
Russell Kirksey: This is pathetic... President Paul ...not VP Rand ...Aww Mitt so sorry we are not as easily bought like the media ... Sorry the establishment has broke all the rules and feels embarrassed ...as they should ....but "causing him trouble" ...this is a primary and he has not won ... We will fight till the end ...and then fight some more ...in the end president Paul will be in the white house and Obama will be history...then you shall see the true power of a free society working together ...every race and religion putting this nation back ontop together... Rebuilding the foundation of this country for all to follow ...not by force ... "First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean." Matthew 23:26
May 11, 2012
Tyler profile picture
Tyler Brennan: I "ugh"'d at this article. Author is bias, clearly seen in the text. RINO?
May 11, 2012
Mike profile picture
Mike Angelo: http://libertyvlogger.com/ron-paul/rnc-lawyer-says-all-delegates-are-unbound/

for peeps that think RP is hijacking.....enjoy this piece......"HIJACKED DELEGATES" are NOT bound
May 11, 2012
Peter profile picture
Peter Coene: I think you misunderstood Paul saying that he doesn't want a floor fight. What he wants is to get his way. None of us want a floor fight, but if we don't get what we do want then our ("ugh") revolution might just have to muck things up after all. You might be right about it not helping our cause, but it would help Romney way less as he's the one who is the presumed winner with a presidential bid to worry about. I would think that you Romney supporters would care more about that. So, y'all might wanna consider playing ball.
May 11, 2012
Mahmoud profile picture
Mahmoud A: really stupid title to an equally stupid article. thanks for wasting my time!
May 11, 2012
Spencer profile picture
Spencer Young: i feel like joining your page to tell you how soundbytish you sound. hannity would be so proud!
May 11, 2012
Daniel profile picture
Daniel Lenn: Ron Paul supporters listen really well. We can read too (we also have a way of putting our money where our mouth is ;)) . I find this whole article to be 100% conjecture. To "lose control" of something you never controlled makes NO SENSE. Ron Paul doesn't control us. This isn't the "Ron Paul" revolution, this is the AMERICAN REVOLUTION. We're trying to get the only candidate willing to create REAL change elected. While Obama continues to try to defame Paul and shout that America is "moving forward", I'll be registering to become a delegate to make sure that the we see legitimate progress in the USA.
May 11, 2012
Jim profile picture
Jim Burkiewicz: Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that can beat Obama. Most people who have educated themselves enough to actually VOTE for Ron Paul, WILL NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY under any circumstances. Through researching Romney's history we know that what comes out of his mouth has little to do with what he will actually do once in power. Additionally, most of his current stated political views are identical to Obama's (TARP, bailouts, war, the Fed, individual mandates, etc.). So it is pretty much guaranteed that most votes FOR Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries are votes AGAINST Romney in a presidential race (whether they be for the Libertarian candidate, a write-in, or Obama).



However, if Ron Paul pulls it off and wins the Republican nomination, he will get all the Republican vote, most of the Independent vote, and a whole lot of people who voted for Obama last time because Obama promised to end the wars.



So to sum up, if Romney is the nominee, you are looking at 4 more years of Obama. If Ron Paul is the nominee, you are looking at President Paul.



Please educate yourself via the internet. You can't count on the boob-tube for accurate information. Mainstream media is owned by huge corporations that are owned by still larger corporations that have a vested interest in maintaing the status quo and keeping their politicians bought and paid for.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/may/10/why-cant-romney-win-delegates-ron-paul/
May 11, 2012
Thomas profile picture
Thomas Thomas: Amy, clearly your love for Kim K has rotted your brain. I didn't attack his grammar, I attacked his attempt to sound intelligent by using words he doesn't understand. Seriously doubt he understands the word promulgate either, but clearly "implement" makes no sense. With regards to a rebuttal to this biased "article" (in the loosest sense of the word) I won't give one. It speaks for itself.
May 11, 2012
Chelsea profile picture
Chelsea Davison: @Randy: News and opinion can be wrapped up together. I mean, that's how FOX News works. That's how Gawker works and tons of other sites (a news article about a celebrity might include commentary on how she looks awful or how she looks great).
May 11, 2012
Mike profile picture
Mike La Rose: Change for the better is sometimes hard to understand. Stick to your coffee house fueled uninformed rants on your facebook page. Poorly informed journalism at its finest right here. Write the facts not the BS.
May 11, 2012
Mike profile picture
Mike Angelo: we are done listening to your failed power grab gone a muck, and guess what nutbag.....I don't have a leader, I elect Representatives. Hope you enjoy being Ruled.
May 11, 2012
Christopher Cant profile picture
Christopher Cant : Scummy, shoddy writing, I hope you have a real job sir, because you're not very good at this.
May 11, 2012
Jim profile picture
Jim Panse: To hell with the corrupt GOP Establishment.....I see the chicken neck statists get nervous.............GOOD !
May 11, 2012
Ron profile picture
Ron Smith: Ron Paul hasn't "lost control" of his followers" because he hasn't got any "followers" and he doesn't try to "control" people like the fascist DC establishment. Dr. Paul is simply a purveyor of a popular idea: liberty.

And there is nothing at all wrong with his *supporters* working the delegate system. It's called a republic for a reason. Here is a good article showing how your view is stupid. You don't what the uninformed and uninvolved picking the president.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/may/10/why-cant-romney-win-delegates-ron-paul/
May 11, 2012
Randy profile picture
Randy Dennis: @Chelsea If that's true this article and all future Ology articles need to be removed from the Google News section.
May 11, 2012
Ron profile picture
Ron Smith: Ron Paul hasn't "lost control" of his followers" because he hasn't got any "followers" and he doesn't try to "control" people like the fascist DC establishment. Dr. Paul is simply a purveyor of a popular idea: liberty.

And there is nothing at all wrong with his *supporters* working the delegate system. It's called a republic for a reason. Here is a good article showing how your view is stupid. You don't what the uninformed and uninvolved picking the president.

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/may/10/why-cant-romney-win-delegates-ron-paul/
May 11, 2012
Efrain profile picture
Efrain Rojas: "unrelenting commitment...believe fervently in his ideas"...That is a spot on description. Now wait for the fireworks.
May 11, 2012
Chelsea profile picture
Chelsea Davison: @George (and a lot of other people): Ology is not really a "news website." It's a website for people to connect with others around their passions. One of the writers is passionate about politics so this is his opinion. We never claim to be an objective source. Nor should we be--opinions are what actually spark conversation and that's way more fun. Everyone who disagrees should write their own post here: http://ology.com/ology/787
May 11, 2012
George profile picture
George Carlin: Amy, really? Cherry pick responses to find one to harp on because it comments on the grammer of the article. How about you respond to the many informed comments?

By the way, this is an article representing a news website, written by someone who wants to be a professional journalist. There shouldn't be any grammatical errors for something this short.
May 11, 2012
Donna profile picture
Donna Coe: If you don't like a particular candidate, I have not problem with your saying so. BUT, to use "ugh" when talking about Ron Paul's success and then to say that Ron Paul lost control of his followers is not only short sighted it's poor journalism at its very best!
May 11, 2012
Aaron profile picture
Aaron Bolton: I agree with you, Chelsea; I am a Ron Paul supporter but I don't trust Rand. Regarding the bias of the article, at least the author mentioned that Ron Paul might have won the straw poll in Maine. That's worth some credit. But yeah, otherwise, his choice of words...Ron Paul is "storming the delegate selection process", "chaos", "eccentric", etc... mimics the propagandist drivel of the Washington Post and others.
May 11, 2012
Gambit profile picture
Gambit Seven: All claims and opinions no facts. Looks like a 6th graders essay to me.
May 11, 2012
Salvo profile picture
Salvo Das: Ok, Let me get this straight...Ron Paul supporters are playing within the guidelines in using the delegate strategy, but its called cheating, unethical, and we're "out of CONTROL!" Thats pratically all the mainstream media coverage RP gets, if that. Yet there is plenty of video out there proving voter and delegate fraud, which is completely TREASONOUS, from the Romney Camp.
Not to mention Romney Followers disguised as Ron Paul supporters infiltrating and handing out FAKE RP ballots with Romney delegates on it is just fine, and it goes unrecognized., And RP IS LOSING CONTROL OF HIS SUPPORTERS?, IF you where in front of me right now I would show what losing control really looks like...Your an asshole not a reporter.
May 11, 2012
Ron profile picture
Ron Harris: This article is a joke. Not even worth a rebuttal.

Ron Paul 2012
May 11, 2012
Jeff profile picture
Jeff Frye: I love the mouse print:
* With the possible exception of Maine, which featured some shady vote counting.

Ok if they did it in Maine then why do you think it didn't happens elsewere?
May 11, 2012
Amy profile picture
Amy Potter: His grammar? Really? You don't have a good enough rebuttal that you need to attack little grammar mistakes. Give me a break. You must not be human.
May 11, 2012
Thomas profile picture
Thomas Thomas: I do believe the author, in an attempt to sound intelligent, confused the word "implement" with "impediment". That is the only way the last sentence makes any sense.
May 11, 2012
Ernest profile picture
Ernest Ludwick: Your closing would be stronger if you had used the word you intended (impediment?) rather than"implement". One more trip to the thesaurus would've made you look a lot smarter. You basically said the opposite of what you meant.

Aside from the poor grammar, you reach several false conclusions in this rant and many accurate conclusions. The most important point is that the rabble you portray are actually the engine of this movement. They power it but it is up to the more attuned, organized leadership to steer. There are plenty of strategists in the campaign leadership and they share Dr. Paul's long range perspective. They won't let the convention turn into a public relations gaff for us. We have congressional seats and Party leadership positions in the process of being filled.

Still, we urgently need the publicity, street presence, and righteous indignation of the energetic masses of Ron Paul supporters. Even if they get a little unruly at times.
May 11, 2012
#israel profile picture
#israel : I like the Ron Paul
May 11, 2012
#israel profile picture
#israel : Ha ha.
May 11, 2012
#israel profile picture
#israel : Ha ha.
May 11, 2012
Randy profile picture
Randy Dennis: Amy by your rationale, only 2 people who "love it!" show their faces...
May 11, 2012
Joe profile picture
Joe Brie: this artical should be titled has the media lost it's followers
May 11, 2012
Joe profile picture
Joe Brie: this artical should be titled has the media lost it's followers
May 11, 2012
Randy profile picture
Randy Dennis: Rian-No. Explain yourself! How are we proving the author right? I think the vast majority of us have clearly stated either whats wrong with the article or why we support Dr. Paul. And calling people names does not help your cause either. Ball is in your court.
May 11, 2012
Amy profile picture
Amy Potter: Funny how all the people who chose "hate it" are anonymous. SHOW YOUR FACES!
May 11, 2012
Federal Farmer profile picture
Federal Farmer Farmer: And now I will proceed to investigate McMurry’s sad attempt at “journalism” and “logic“. The format is as follows; his quotes, and then the rebuttal:

1.) You- “Has Ron Paul Lost Control of His Followers?”
Rebuttal- Ron Paul was never in “control” of his “followers”. By his own volition he’s part of a larger movement to restore Constitutional law and free markets. Paul’s is a bottom-up campaign (not top-down) the very definition of “grassroots”. Why does Ron Paul still have $millions, because his supporters fund his campaign $20 at a time, of their own motivation and desire.

2.) You- “[t]he Ron Paul campaign's plan to storm the delegate selection process of smaller states is well-known.”
Rebuttal- First of all it’s not “storming” if it’s absolutely legal and follows the RNC’s own rules, which the tactic does. Secondly, if Ron Paul is gaining more delegates that means he’s the preferred choice. Lastly, it was never a secret. Only irrational individuals like yourself believe that those who disagree with your personal positions must have formed some nefarious plot.

3.) You- cited Doug Mataconis, as he “goes through all the various theories . . . getting Paul’s name on the nomination ballot . . . and concludes they all have the same endgame: chaos.”
Rebuttal- In reality is has to do with one objective… Winning. Ron Paul has an obligation at the very least, to do as well as he possibly can with money donated to him by his supporters. More importantly, he and his supporters follow the Constitutional and free market principles of our republic and they must honor and further them by all means necessary. What you ignorantly call “Chaos”, is actually define as a healthy debate, vetting ideas, and critical thinking about the serious issues facing the U.S. This aside from the fact that Ron Paul’s supporters are members of the Republican party, following the Party’s rules, and voicing their legitimate concerns in the only legitimate way at the convention.

4.) You- “[t]he power that Paul's followers have built by stacking the delegate selection process . . . leads to an ugly floor fight that will” …
- “embarrass the Republican Party”
Rebuttal- so following the RNC’s own primary rules thus allowing a popular candidate such as Paul to do well for himself, is by your logic embarrassing? What a convoluted standard Mr. McMurry. Speaking of embarrassing, wasn’t McCain’s entire campaign embarrassing? Wasn’t Bush’s failure to find WMD’s and Al Qaeda in Iraq rather embarrassing? Isn’t Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts Healthcare Plan which is the same as “Obamacare” pretty embarrassing?

- “potentially cost them the election”
Rebuttal- If Romney loses any election, it will be because Romney was a weak candidate. And that’s it.

- “[o]stracize future Paul-ites, just as the movement is gaining . . . mainstream respectability.”
Rebuttal- You have a double standard when you’re trying to prove your poorly thought arguments. All of a sudden Paul’s supporters have become respectable to you. I’m fairly certain Ron Paul supporters are already ostracized by the “mainstream“, hence your quaint little article here. Furthermore, any respect Paul’s supporters have gained, is due to their tenacity, truth telling, and uncompromising stance upon principle. Paul’s supporters, unlike rank & file RNC members, actually know about the Constitution, republicanism, conservatism, foreign & monetary policy, and free markets.

5.) You- “Paul . . . has marched to the beat of his own tiny drummer” [sic]
Rebuttal- I guess the “drum” isn’t so “tiny” since you felt it necessary to write a biased, albeit pathetic, article denouncing the Large strides the Paul campaign is making in the primary delegate process.

6.) You- “Paul supporters . . . aren’t the listening type”
Rebuttal- Evidently we are.
May 11, 2012
Quentin profile picture
Quentin Davis: RON PAUL! 2012!
May 11, 2012
Louis profile picture
Louis Nardozi: Paul originally told reporters WHY he was doing this, then stopped after they asked the 300th time in disbelief. He's doing it to WIN. By the rules, but to WIN. The media has gotten so caught up in their own narrative they believe it, but the truth hasn't changed and neither has Paul's (so far successful) strategy. Even in Idaho, where Paul stated he disapproves of anything underhanded, there are ways to assign the delegates to Paul supporters - within the rules. That's precisely what's going to happen. Further, Paul knows we're all free just like him and would not dream of telling us what to do. After all, we are citizens and free to anything that is not illegal.
May 11, 2012
Jonathan profile picture
Jonathan Mahone: Hahaha! the title says it all. Another journalist who doesn't understand a politician who doesn't seek power and control, or why "We the People" won't unite or bow down to a politician that they've hand picked for us to follow. It is well within our rights to fight against a nominee that we don't want. The fact that Mitt Romney can't get his people to come out and support him, is proof that he's a weak candidate... but you can't see the other side of the coin can you? Where's Paul Harvey with "the rest of the story" when you need him? Left wing.... Right wing... Same damn bird. I vote Dr. No.
May 11, 2012
Rian profile picture
Rian Slayter: Geez, it's an opinion! Go, EVAN! I agree. For anyone that feels differently, post and explaining yourselves --> http://ology.com/ology/787. All you're doing is proving Evan right...losers.
May 11, 2012
Randy profile picture
Randy Dennis: Ha ha ha ha...The one guy who supports the author and his biased lazy writing has Obama in his profile pic....Go figure..If you own a copy of PhotoShop maybe you should add Romney to that pic also.
May 11, 2012
Holly profile picture
Holly Moore: voting doesn't get us anywhere anyway
May 11, 2012
Jackie profile picture
Jackie Martin: Everybody just chill! Can't we all just get along? Lets just say that Ron Paul, Evan McMurry and all of the human race are nice people... Lets spread love together :)
May 11, 2012
Lene profile picture
Lene Danielsen: Ron Paul's "supporters" out of control? really? I recall Romney's followers being caught passing out false slates in Colorado, Nevada and Maine. Romney's "followers" reguarly break the rules and they have the NERVE to say that!! Ron Paul is getting delegates by following the rules people but the other side wants to change the rules when they aren't doing that good! Another BS hit piece.
May 11, 2012
Dennis profile picture
Dennis Martz: What a horribly biased, poorly written article. What happened to journalism...
May 11, 2012
Dennis profile picture
Dennis Martz: What a horribly biased, poorly written article. What happened to journalism...
May 11, 2012
Dennis profile picture
Dennis Martz: What a horribly biased, poorly written article. What happened to journalism...
May 11, 2012
Benjamin profile picture
Benjamin Henning: Evan, great read, thank you for writing it. Seems to have hit a nerve with some folks, but there are a great deal of us that support you and your writing. Peace.
May 11, 2012
Benjamin profile picture
Benjamin Henning: Evan, great read, thank you for writing it. Seems to have hit a nerve with some folks, but there are a great deal of us that support you and your writing. Peace.
May 11, 2012
Nick profile picture
Nick Iatì: This is why caucuses are so much better than primaries - the delegates selected to go to county conventions months later do not have to vote for the candidate who won the popular vote with all their empty promises. Mitt Romney originally came in first place in the Iowa caucuses; however, he never showed his face in Iowa again after it was over. Iowans obviously saw his campaign efforts as politics-as-usual and dismissed him at the county conventions and rightfully so.

Also, caucuses are FAR more transparent than primaries, so if it's possible that "shady things happened" during the Maine caucuses (and Missouri, Nevada, Alaska, etc.) then it's possible that shady things happened during the primaries in all the states that have held them so far. That said, it's quite presumptuous of you to write that Ron Paul has "hit his ceiling" in terms of "actual human support," since we'll never really know the true height of that "ceiling."
May 11, 2012
Matt profile picture
Matt Knight: Ron Paul has this, Mitt is going to crash and burn. It's happening.
May 11, 2012
Peggy profile picture
Peggy Hart: Little worried trolls......lol, RON PAUL knows more than you could fathom in your very tiny hater brain;-)
May 11, 2012
Randy profile picture
Randy Dennis: Is there not a way to like or reply to individual posts? This site's comment section is lame.
May 11, 2012
Tyler profile picture
Tyler Wiest: Despite the fact he hasnt won any caucuses? Jorunalism fail.

This doesn't happen with out caucus victories> http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/306155_10100863524362133_8210826_52036604_1011470438_n.jpg
May 11, 2012
Steven profile picture
Steven DiBona: Ron Paul is and only ever has been the only candidate worth voting for. This is not about REPUBS vs DEMS. The elites are not that much different; they just lead you to believe so by tugging on heart-string issues from time to time. Obama and Romney have agreed on virtually every issue at one point or another. They're both nothing more than talking heads. The only vote in a corrupt system needs to be a vote for Ron Paul.
May 11, 2012
Jonathan profile picture
Jonathan Smith: I rate this article a MRAD:

Most
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May 11, 2012
Joel profile picture
Joel Nye: What kind of garbage does this person write?
The kind we put in the incinerator, I guess!!
May 11, 2012
Jonathan profile picture
Jonathan Smith: I rate this article a MRAD:

Most
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May 11, 2012
Garrett profile picture
Garrett Greene: When the fuck will you people understand that we're not "hijacking" or "storming" anything. It's called the delegate process and we're getting what we want because we're playing by the rules and winning. Mitt Romney will absolutely be more of the same big government big spending failure and the fact that the media is putting out this idea that all Ron Paul supporters are lunatics hell-bent on "destroying the process" or whatever seriously pisses me off. Everyone sees through the lies and the bias.
May 11, 2012
John profile picture
John Connolly: Delegate Count ROMNEY 342 - PAUL 109 - thereal2012delegatecount dot com This is based on the fact that States have yet to have their conventions and Romney cannot claim as many as the AP is giving him. The AP. Not an authority on delegate counting. WXIX and Ben Swann know the real count. Better get your information for a better source.
May 11, 2012
Alexander profile picture
Alexander Nicholaou: you are quoting reddit? how did my google search find this garbage heap of a news article.
storm the delegate selection? He made clear this was his intent before the first vote was accidently misplaced by the GOP in the Iowa Caucuses.
"Hit the celing, hard" - yes, having crowds consistently show up for yours speeches that best both Obama and Romney, that is a definate hard celing.
Swaying the VP nomination. You obviously don't know squat about how the VP is truly selected, just because the Delegates usually accept the Nominees choice, doesnt mean they have to, they are free to vote against any VP nominee.
Costing the GOP the election: I am sick and tired of people who say this.
Romney & Obama support:
Abortion Rights
Bail-outs
Universal Health Care
The Patriot Act
NDAA provisions that allow for the arrest of Americans and thier indefinate detention.

they both support the same things. you might as well just vote for Obama and not Romney (aka "White Obama" - for those of you who cant deal with socialism with a black face).

I want my Civil Rights, I want my Liberty, I want my Property and Privacy and I want the constitution Respected, therefore I vote Ron Paul and only Ron Paul. It is not my fault there is a false choice being presented to the sleeping masses.
May 11, 2012
Joseph C Carbone profile picture
Joseph C Carbone : Evan McMurry, you have no clue what you are talking about or you are a genuine liar.

What is happening is called winning by following the rules!

“[…] the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign condemns efforts to expand its influence in the Republican Party in [any state] when these activities are couched as vengeful, underhanded, or markedly distasteful.”

“[…] Paul supporters have every right to vociferously and energetically engage their party structures to introduce Dr. Paul’s winning message into existing party organizations.”

Sincerely, Joseph C. Carbone III; 11 May 2012

★”˜¨¯¯¨˜”ª¤(¯`*•.¸(¯`*•.. The Hon. Dr. Ron Paul for 2012 ..•*´¯)¸.•*´¯)¤ª”˜¨¯¯¨˜”★
May 11, 2012
Michael profile picture
Michael Constitutionalis: Ron Paul has won 11 States by having more Delegates. I have had the honor of meeting Ron Paul 6 times, and the dishonor of meeting Mitt once. Mitt has won 17 states thus far, by having more delegates. THIS "journalist" is making a MOCKERY of the Delegate Selection process. I ran for National RNC Delegate, and lost. The VOTING PROCESS WORKS. HOW are Constituion loving Americans who happen to support Ron Paul stand guilty of "iducing chaos"?? I answer that -- This journalist is misinformed and has an agenda to help ruin America. The Bankers and Corporations that now control our Federal and State Governments must be pushed-back by having LIBERTY-LOVING Americans INVOLVE THEMSELVES in the political process, and Government to TAKE BACK AMERICA. OUR NATION IS IN RUIN -- I know with the ideals and virtues of Great Men like Ron Paul, and the Founding Fathers we can RESTORE AMERICA NOW. RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2012.... Michael K0bzina - District Captain - 25H CO GOP
May 11, 2012
Michael profile picture
Michael Constitutionalis: Ron Paul has won 11 States by having more Delegates. I have had the honor of meeting Ron Paul 6 times, and the dishonor of meeting Mitt once. Mitt has won 17 states thus far, by having more delegates. THIS "journalist" is making a MOCKERY of the Delegate Selection process. I ran for National RNC Delegate, and lost. The VOTING PROCESS WORKS. HOW are Constituion loving Americans who happen to support Ron Paul stand guilty of "iducing chaos"?? I answer that -- This journalist is misinformed and has an agenda to help ruin America. The Bankers and Corporations that now control our Federal and State Governments must be pushed-back by having LIBERTY-LOVING Americans INVOLVE THEMSELVES in the political process, and Government to TAKE BACK AMERICA. OUR NATION IS IN RUIN -- I know with the ideals and virtues of Great Men like Ron Paul, and the Founding Fathers we can RESTORE AMERICA NOW. RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2012.... Michael K0bzina - District Captain - 25H CO GOP
May 11, 2012
Jeremy profile picture
Jeremy Holtzapple: Ron Paul speaks of liberty - the idea that a person can do and act as they wish so long as they don't hurt another. Following his every wish and command would go against the very message his supporters embrace. In fact, Paul advises during his rallies that people carry the message as they wish, whether through education of friends, public awareness, or political action. Seems to me that's exactly what folks are doing.
May 11, 2012
Jason profile picture
Jason Rickman: This article... ugh
May 11, 2012
Michael profile picture
Michael Vanderdrift: Well put Elijah....just a little bit bias? What an asshole.
May 11, 2012
Chelsea profile picture
Chelsea Davison: Uh oh people are getting angry...
May 11, 2012
Randy profile picture
Randy Dennis: Evan just noticed your caption of the photo. "Can Paul control these guys? (And why are they all guys?)" There are clearly women in the picture. Not a good way to start an article. (Ugh.)
May 11, 2012
Cody profile picture
Cody Anderson: This article is a complete and disgusting joke. The author is a disingenuous hack. I hope the establishment paid you well to sacrifice your integrity.
May 11, 2012
Chris profile picture
Chris Tauer: Paul does not want a floor fight. He wants to win the nomination without one. Why is that so difficult to understand? Ugh, I used to think journalists needed to be smart.
May 11, 2012
Jason profile picture
Jason Rickman: Paul has never controlled his followers, so your basis for the article is flawed. All the various theories are for why are completely ridiculous. The objective is to win, dumbass.
May 11, 2012
Naomi profile picture
Naomi Frances: it's time to legalize marijuana, get the government out of peoples' bedrooms, and radically cut down on federal expenses. if this is "chaos", so be it.
May 11, 2012
Joshua profile picture
Joshua Cullison: Exactly Elijah. To the author: You say he has hit a hard ceiling. Would this be the same ceiling he has broke time and time again. How could you compete with yours and all MSM complete bias from the start. From Chris Wallase on FOX news saying that if Ron Paul wins Iowa (which he did) it would discredit their caucus. Do you or don't you agree with their being an overwhelming bias "against" Ron Paul? Your obvious bias (thanks again for pointing that out Elijah) on this subject as well as your counterparts is disgraceful. Please don't tell me you go around and call yourself a "journalist"? Common Man'
May 11, 2012
Randy profile picture
Randy Dennis: I really wish journalists like you would do some research. That is supposed to be part of your job. You honestly believe the end game of Ron Paul supporters is to just cause anarchy or chaos? Ugh. I hope you are really not that dim. They want him to get him nominated and elected as President (duh)! If romney can't secure the nomination on the first vote ALL delegates can vote for whoever they want. Ron Paul's strategy of racking up delegates is working. Even in Romneys home state the majority of delegates are Paul supporters.
May 11, 2012
Anthony profile picture
Anthony Schneck: I always thought a Ron Paul-Dennis Kucinich co-presidency was the best option for our country. Two passionate men who can get things done. For official state functions, they could show up in a giant trench coat, with one standing on the other's shoulders.

Unfortunately, most Americans will never realize the genius of this idea.
May 11, 2012
Ryan profile picture
Ryan Reavis: who has been better than his father at working with the GOP mainstream while staying true to his (wildly inconsistent) ideological views

Where the hell do you get the wildly inconsistent part. Ron Paul is the most on the level Republican im America
May 11, 2012
Ryan profile picture
Ryan Reavis: who has been better than his father at working with the GOP mainstream while staying true to his (wildly inconsistent) ideological views

Where the hell do you get the wildly inconsistent part. Ron Paul is the most on the level Republican im America
May 11, 2012
Randy profile picture
Randy Dennis: I really wish journalists like you would do some research. That is supposed to be part of your job. You honestly believe the end game of Ron Paul supporters is to just cause anarchy or chaos? Ugh. I hope you are really not that dim. They want him to get him nominated and elected as President (duh)! If romney can't secure the nomination on the first vote ALL delegates can vote for whoever they want. Ron Paul's strategy of racking up delegates is working. Even in Romneys home state the majority of delegates are Paul supporters.
May 11, 2012
tri profile picture
tri Liberty: Journalism at it's best! No we will one better you he will be President! He and his tiny little drum.
May 11, 2012
Ravi profile picture
Ravi Kumra: "Ron Paul will have made a monster, a motley crew of followers who believe fervently in his ideas even as they become the biggest implement to their promulgation"

Amen! I second that emotion!!
May 11, 2012
Ravi profile picture
Ravi Kumra: "Ron Paul will have made a monster, a motley crew of followers who believe fervently in his ideas even as they become the biggest implement to their promulgation"

Amen! I second that emotion!!
May 11, 2012
Nick profile picture
Nick Riley: Ron Paul won my vote. Romney couldn't buy my vote. My vote for Ron Paul in November is literally a vote for Ron Paul. I have heard the flaccid argument that my support for Dr Paul is actually support for Obama. I couldn't disagree more. I am literally supporting the best candidate I will likely ever see in my lifetime. Ron Paul 2012. Candidates with voting records like his don't come along every day. I am seizing the opportunity to support the best man for the job.
May 11, 2012
Bison profile picture
Bison Messink: Vote your conscience. Vote Ross Perot.
May 11, 2012
George profile picture
George Carlin: "Hit a ceiling in terms of actual human support"?

I would say the human support keeps going up since that is what you need to win delegates. Behind closed door vote counting which is what happens at primaries is more apt to voter fraud than delegate caucuses.

It is funny how Ron Paul wins every time people must be in attendance and votes are counted out in the open (delegate selection caucuses). But when you have closed door vote counting and electric voting boxes, Romney seems to always win (primaries).
May 11, 2012
Jon profile picture
Jon Bradley: He never has CONTROLLED us.
May 11, 2012
Cara profile picture
Cara Perkins: I love the people who comment on how the author is stupid yet make spelling/grammar errors. Always amusing.
May 11, 2012
Carson profile picture
Carson Hopper: revolutions are usually bloody, be happy so far this one isnt, and pray the rich men you trust so much start to control this country in the way is was supposed to be run, as a republic with liberty and justice for all...or else...well, lets just say all it takes is a spark
May 11, 2012
Scott profile picture
Scott Brickett Sr.: YOUR AN IDIOT.
May 11, 2012
Robin profile picture
Robin Doucette: This article is not even worth my time to comment-Get a Life!
May 11, 2012
Anthony profile picture
Anthony Platt: The propaganda never ends... article after article, all day, of anti-Paul propaganda. We live in a vicious imperial police state which gets it backing and "legitimacy" from a media completely owned and controlled by corporations. Sick. I would resign if I was this writer. They all should. Have these people no shame? Meanwhile, Romney who was literally buying votes indirectly, and in some cases I surmise, directly, by simple buying the counting machines, is the "noble" candidate, like when he's not acting like a supercilious prick, raiding American industries, terrorizing gays, calling for war with Iran, and saying anything to gain power for himself, even if his statements are contradictory, sometimes in the same sentence!
May 11, 2012
Antony profile picture
Antony Reed: Mark these words... By the time Tampa comes around, Paul will have either the same number of delegates or moreso, than Romney.

Your delegate counting method is abismal. Delegates are not selected by popular vote. Also, in Tampa, all delegates can vote their conscience and are not bound to any particular candidate, according to the RNC's own legal council.
May 11, 2012
Anthony profile picture
Anthony Platt: The propaganda never ends... article after article of anti-Paul propaganda. We live in a Vicious imperial police state which gets it backing and "legitimacy" from a media completely owned and controlled by corporations. Sick. I would resign if I was this writer. They all should. Have these people no shame?
May 11, 2012
William profile picture
William Gaston: Hey Evan McMurray, tell us what is "wildly inconsistent" about Rand Paul?

Anyone can say some unsubstantiated b*llsh*t, but it doesn't make it true.
Millions of Americans constantly whining and crying about wanting a CONSISTENT man as president....someone who isn't tainted by all the corruption and lobbyists.....HERE HE IS AMERICA, but what do you idiot sheep do? Believe everything the maintream media tells you.

He's unelectable and will NEVER go to the convention in Tampa. WRONG!

He'll never get above 10% in natoinal polling. WRONG!

F*ck*ng establishment idiots. Please do not vote...or breed. Thanks.
May 11, 2012
William profile picture
William Gaston: Hey Evan McMurray, tell us what is "wildly inconsistent" about Rand Paul?

Anyone can say some unsubstantiated b*llsh*t, but it doesn't make it true.
Millions of Americans constantly whining and crying about wanting a CONSISTENT man as president....someone who isn't tainted by all the corruption and lobbyists.....HERE HE IS AMERICA, but what do you idiot sheep do? Believe everything the maintream media tells you.

He's unelectable and will NEVER go to the convention in Tampa. WRONG!

He'll never get above 10% in natoinal polling. WRONG!

F*ck*ng establishment idiots. Please do not vote...or breed. Thanks.
May 11, 2012
Andrew profile picture
Andrew Johnson: How naive. You are correct Paul does't want his supporters to cheat, steal or lie to win, however he wants to win. The GOP set precedence in 2008 by writing a letter to a Utah delegate who was concerned she would have to vote Mccain over Romney. They declared that under Rule 38 the RNC considers all delegates elected to be "free agents" to vote for anyone nominated, or not nominated on the convention floor. We have the majority of delegates in states like MA, NV and at this point nobody knows how many more states are filled with Ron Paul delegates. We played by the rules of the RNC and are winning. Stop whining and report the real story which is that until the states finish selecting delegates the MSM delegate counts are not accurate and Ron Paul CAN win!
May 11, 2012
Ken profile picture
Ken Ross: If by a "win" in a caucus state, the author means getting the most votes during the straw polls at caucus sites that are meaningless in most caucus states (Nevada and Idaho are exceptions) then Ron Paul has not won any state, only the territory of the Virgin Islands. The media has designated Romney as the winner of the VI competition because Romney received more delegates from VI to the national convention than Paul who won the meaningless straw poll.
That's a fair enough assessment of what is important as far as winning but by that logic Paul has won or is winning several caucus states.
May 11, 2012
James profile picture
James Dillon: I'm cool with anything that causes problems for Romney.
May 11, 2012
Surge profile picture
Surge .: Ohh Snap! This smack talk is getting all political...
May 11, 2012
Damn profile picture
Damn Payne: Ron Paul is the man, you are a douche.
May 11, 2012
Chelsea profile picture
Chelsea Davison: Hmmm, very interesting. I hope they don't shift to Rand Paul. He seems way less genuine than his father.
May 11, 2012
Elijah profile picture
Elijah Shanor: Nice ugh, you bias Journalist you.
May 11, 2012
Elijah profile picture
Elijah Shanor: Nice ugh, you bias Journalist you.
May 11, 2012

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